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Matt Marlowe's avatar

It's strange how much of this I recognised without realising it. I definitely feel and relate to that sense of pining from a lack of a sense of normality in your childhood, but it's not necessarily obvious to me how much of that is a uniquely gay thing. JP2 is probs right on some level that it's kinda inevitable in some form in the human experience. I think it's definitely influenced my spirituality a lot, I think I've been findind it really beautiful recently to dwell on what it means to live in the now and the not yet of the kingdom of God, to be preparing our hearts during this period of advent for the coming kingdom which *all creation* longs for. The sense that if we are God's chosen people on a pilgrimage to the new kingdom, then, whilst we live in hope on earth, we are still in the wilderness, and life is still a desert.

I think that contrast between gay politics/identity and culture is quite interesting as well. I'm 21 but not massively connected to the wider queer culture in my uni or where I live, partly because I feel a tension and an anxiety in those spaces as to how I'd be considered with my sexual ethic (or how to engage without being dishonest or inauthentic about it). The result of this is that I can't really sense what the culture in those places is like, but it seems to me looking in from the outside to be more "gay politics/identity" infused, if we accept such a taxonomy. Part of me wants to understand more about this, and where contemporary (young) gay culture is at, so I can think more of what it looks like to engage with that with love and grace and truth as a Christian. I wonder if that sense of longing is more common in the trans experience today?

I also guess I wonder how much of this is necessarily healthy. Alot of it probs not (but then a lot of responses to trauma can be helpful in the moment but not healthy in the long term). I need to understand it more to be able to engage with it more. Ig I can see both the good and bad fruits of it in my life, but it might look different, because I try to direct it towards God where I can. I wonder if sometimes the gay politics/identity paradigm if it's in opposition to this is partly an implicit criticism of it. And a lot of that is probs valid. I think there is a definite line between humility and denying the imago dei, but I think it's not always obvious from the outside, and we need to be careful to not conflate the two, and to not let ourselves fall into the later. Even if I resonate with that sense of pining, that sense of degredation maybe within camp, I know that I need to be careful to not see those aspects of many gay experiences as necessary to the gay experience. Gay suffering has created a lot of beautiful meaningful art, but like, we shouldn't want that suffering to happen if we can avoid it, even if the art that comes out of it is a lot more boring.

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Grant Hartley's avatar

I’m so glad you got around to reading How to Be Gay! It’s one of the more influential books to me, which probably explains a lot. It’s in the background of my first couple Revoice talks lol

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